YesterdayÂ Adriaan Pienaar, a.k.a. “Adii Rockstar” of Woo Themes posted on his blog about a tough client asking,Â Am I being irrational? He later followed up on Twitter, calling this customer a “dick client”.
So glad not have had a repeat of yesterday’s interaction with a specific dick client (http://t.co/P6six9a) today.
Now I’veÂ definitelyÂ had similar conversations among friendly company in private, but I would never post something like this to my blog or Twitter. I feel bad evenÂ propagatingÂ the story more, but I’ve seen some similarly toned tweets go out by developers and consultants and I want to (1) talk about why this might be a bad idea and (2) find out why most people seem to be okay with these kinds of expressions.
Judging by the comments on the blog and Twitter, the WordPress community has mostly got Adii’s back on this one. However I think in this situation, while Adii has some good points and understandable “beef” with this client, he is being a bit irrational.
The back story.
You should read his blog post for the proper context and to read Adii’s and others’ comments. I’m going to paste what Adii wrote of the exchange here, even though it’s about 90% of the entire post, because it’s short and I want to be clear about what I’m referencing. Adii writes (emphasis mine):
- Customer notes to us that he is struggling to achieve something with our product.
- We explain that this is currently a limitation, but immediately update & release a new version of the product to help the customer achieve their goal.
- Customer isnâ€™t happy, e-mails us for refund.
- [This is where I come in.] I ask the client whether the fix worked in an attempt to determine how I can help the customer.
- Customer says they didnâ€™t try it and wonâ€™t try it, because they donâ€™t want to be a guinea pig. Insists on refund, threatens with chargeback.
- I explain that we released a fix for the problem and hence itâ€™s not about being a guinea pig; weâ€™re just doing our job & helping them out.
- Customer ignores last e-mail, rudely threatens to publicize this and again threatens to go the way of a chargeback.
- I issue refund and at least attempt to explain our actions in this regard & how we actually tried to help. Still awaiting response (if any is going to be forthcoming).
Now, to be fair, Woo Themes has a “no refunds” policy (see below). So Adii is in his right to refuse a refund initially (though he eventually gave one). And I think the client is lame for threatening to do a charge back through his credit card (which would refund the money and add another fee to Woo Theme’s account). However, despite the no refunds policy, Adii does end up giving one and seems open to giving them with justification. It’s clear that Adii doesn’t think “fixing a bug”, as he called it, is a good reason for a refund. And it’s possible Adii only gave the refund to avoid the bad publicity and bad affects of a charge back. Adii writes in the comment how he is frustrated at the power customers wield in these transactions.
Is this customer irrational to want a refund?
I think the customer here wasn’t being irrational (in his refund request at least, though he may have had an irrational tone). It sounds like this customer bought the theme thinking it already had a feature he needed. It didn’t, and although Woo Themes fixed the issue right away, I think it is okay for the customer to not be satisfied with this. The customer expected one thing and got another.Â DespiteÂ the quick fix, the customer has reason to question the robustness of the “fix”, which is grounds for a refund in my book.
10. [Woo Themes] Refund Policy
Since WooThemes is offering non-tangible irrevocable, digital goods we do not issue refunds after the subscription or individual theme purchase is made, which you are responsible for understanding upon registering at our site.
By the way, just because the customer may have some justification for asking for a refund doesn’t change the fact that it sucks to lose a customer and to have possibly done some work on a feature just for them. It sucks.
What are we even talking about?
Adii seems to want to bring up two points for discussion. One is about the power customers wield with the threat of a chargeback. The other related point is about the desirability of unconditional refunds. The points are related because it seems the chargeback threats are effectively forcing Woo Themes to offer unconditional refunds even though they may not want to.
For the record, I think unconditional refunds are a good idea… especially when it comes to GPL software.
For one, the point about digital good being irrevocable (made in the Woo Themes policy) doesn’t hold as much weight when the software could technically be distributed for free elsewhere due to the nature of the license. I think many are trying to offer GPL software for a fee and basically hoping that a free version doesn’t crop up… or using split licenses to try to keep a free version from cropping up. Despite the legality of charging for the software in this way and mantras of pro-GPL folks that it’s “free as in speech, not as in beer”, GPL software WANTS to be free as in beer too. It’s kind of natural. it’s supply and demand. People will want your software for free… and if it’s GPL and distributed there will be those able to redistribute for free.
I don’t think you need to stop charging for software (there are many benefits to getting the software “from the source” which is worth a fee), but you shouldn’t be upset if someone gets your software for free… whether it’s from Bit Torrent, an official flavor variant, or by asking for a refund after downloading the software. I’ve only come around this this opinion recently, but I believe that to do GPL software right, we need to make sure most of the value is in that “other stuff” around the software: support, documentation, packaging, trust.
Anyway, back to unconditional refunds. In my experience (and from what I hear) they cause more good than harm. A few will abuse them, but this should be more than made up for by the increased number of sales you’ll get since customers will feel safer about buying something they haven’t tried out yet. That is the argument.
would do have done.
It’s funny that the same day Adii posts about this customer, we have a similar experience with a customer for Paid Memberships ProÂ (our “premium” WP membership plugin). In our case, the customer thought we integrated with a payment gateway that we don’t integrate with yet and asked for a refund. I made the refund first, and then replied with our unwritten policy that we’ll add integration for any payment gateway a paying member requests… it just may take a moment. In this case, our potential/lost customer says no thanks. And I understand, because the customer expected one thing and got another.
As I said, I’ve only come around to this kind of thinking recently. Over the past two months, our return policy has changed from one requesting a reason and requiring the customer to delete the software and vow to not use it, to just requesting the information we need to process the refund. (BTW, Bed Bath and Beyond is a bricks and mortar store that does no-questions refunds to good success.)
Another part of what people expect out of a “premium” WordPress product is better support. And it’s funny that in these cases good, fast support was mostly ignored. This sucks. Not everyone is going to be a customer.
And that brings up another idea that is floating around this discussion: irritable, bad, (dare I say “dick”) clients should be avoided. (The customer we lost was very nice about everything by the way.)
Avoid bad customers. Just don’t feed the trolls.
I agree with the general idea (promoted recently by one of the 37 Signals guys — Jason?) that you don’t need everyone to be your client, and you should use pricing and marketing to target better customers. I would just add that you shouldn’t air the dirty laundry when you do manage to shrug off a bad client. Calling them out in public (if they’re not under a rock, they’ll know that you’re talking about them) may bring them back for more. It will definitely send a message to potential clients reading the rant that working with you might be difficult.
Maybe you don’t want clients who are afraid of being called a dick. You only want clients that are willing to spend a lot of money and never ask for a refund. Just be careful that you’re not turning off clients you do want. There is a fine line between “keeping it real” and pushing away perspective clients.
In summary, I think Adii probably handled things correctly up to the point that he posted about it on his blog and twitter. He was trying to bring up some things that should be discussed, but I think his emotions lead him to post it too quickly and in a way that makes it obvious who he is talking about… and he used that D word there.
He could be scaring away potential customers. (I mean look what Chris Pearson’s attitude towards WordPress did to his credibility in the community. Our attitudes toward our clients are similarly important.)
Adii, and some others in comments/etc, missed the point that the customer paid for something under false pretenses. Whether this is the customer’s fault.. or if in our opinions the customer should have been happy about the quick fix, he or she still has a decent reason to want a refund: it is valid to question whether the “quick fix” will be as robust as the customer expected. Whether or not one should be granted is up to the business and their refund policy.
Customers threatening chargebacks when they aren’t warranted sucks. I feel in general though, it is more important to protect customers by allowing chargebacks than it is to protect businesses from their misuse. We don’t make money by forcing people who don’t want to pay for our products to pay for them. We make money by making the customers that are willing to pay happy.
The digital nature of software works both ways. Someone can get the software and then chargeback to effectively get something for free. But then it didn’t really cost us much to deliver the software either. Especially when working with GPL software, we should be ready to accept situations where people obtain our software for free.
Alright. Let me know what you think. Maybe I’m being irrational here. I don’t mean to pile on Adii. Like I said, I think he did it right up to the point of blogging/tweeting about it. This is all very subtle stuff. We probably agree about more than we disagree, but I don’t think it’s black and white… which is why I wanted to write a million rambling words about it.
Ok, hit publish already, Jason.